RAND PAUL INTERVIEW - WE ARE RUINING THE LIVES OF  A LOT OF YOUNG BLACK MEN - THE PATRIOT ACT

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in time a new call for the GOP to create a so-called bigger tent by reaching out

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more to minorities

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and it comes from presidential candidate Rand Paul who sat down with me

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earlier I want to talk about your book taking a stand one of the things you say

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in here

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is that you really want to reach out

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to people who maybe haven't voted for Republican ever prime-time speaking

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specifically about the minorities

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how do you think you're gonna make a difference with them why they suddenly

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gonna listen to Senator Rand Paul and say well I think I'll go for GOP

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I think I'm the first republican in a generation that's been willing to show

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up

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and then Detroit something Ferguson up into the arm and leg up in the NAACP and

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Matt

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with leaders have all these organizations and also something to

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offer this new

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I think that our criminal justice system has gone overboard

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and that we are ruining the lives in a lot a lot of young black man on wire

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well or are over zealousness with the war on drugs I think that

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putting someone in jail for 55 years for possession or sell a marijuana is

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ridiculous it's absurd

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and it's not proportional to the crime and what has happened as

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over time as we've done more more policing in our big cities

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there's a higher concentration of african-americans in our cities

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there's a higher concentration of poor people but we're locking up a generation

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of young men that I think would be

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they have a chance in should get a second chance outside a prison

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and I i'm willing to try to fix at I'm also willing to

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have targeted tax cuts for the cities have offered a billion dollar tax cut

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for Detroit

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to let them bail themselves out not tell themselves that was someone else's money

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but leave that money in Detroit what's the reception been to some of these

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ideas

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you know quite good actually I think what I found is for you to be wrong

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jumping up down to hey I'm gonna be republican tomorrow but they tell me

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they're glad that I'm there

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they tell me that I'm glad that I'm competing for the vote and they frankly

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often tell me they haven't seen their democrat congressman in quite a while

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because he take some for our she takes them for granted often

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right check out the new book by Rand Paul the senator from Kentucky taking

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the stand

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thank you thank you so senator paul can also be a bit polarizing on certain

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issues so

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is he the best person to opened the tent that question to Monica

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well look he's he's one of the few actually doing it so I give him a lot of

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credit for going to minority communities

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it is going into the inner cities speaking at traditionally and

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historically black colleges

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he's one of the very few on the republican conservative side doing it

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so I applaud him for doing it whether the message punches through well you

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have to start somewhere

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and i think is getting a lot of kudos and any starting to get a lot of

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attention from

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party leaders in presidential candidates were watching what he's doing a very

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fearless way and saying look

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you know the democrats have been taking a black cloud and the Latino vote for

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granted for quite a long time

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and if we can offer competitive vision for economic growth

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and and and building up their communities in ways that jack kemp

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started get back in the nineteen eighties with empowerment zones which is

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what senator paul was referring to that tax credits for the inner city

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if we can bring that into the 21st century and be unafraid about talking

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to these constituencies have tended not to vote republican

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and bring them that that conservative message I think you might have an open

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audience

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like senator possibly might not be voting Republican tomorrow

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but you do have to start somewhere and good for him very interesting alright

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Monica Crowley

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thank you so much pressure thank you the battle between our right to privacy

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and national security plane out in a controversial component the Patriot Act

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the one allowing for the NSA's ball collection of Americans

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telephone data well it's something presidential candidate Rand Paul feels

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very passionately about

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and he talked about that with me earlier my fear is that that

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we're giving up our Privacy we're giving up what we're supposedly fighting four

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in the process of fighting again you can I say look you know times have changed

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since the Constitution was written the founders would have never visualize

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how we have come so far with technology so what happens

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if there's a lapse in this program and a terrorist attack happens we feel guilty

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what will happen is that will rely on the

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on the Constitution and the Constitution does allow for searching a records in

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fact

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I think sometimes we take our eye off for the prize bike

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capturing so much information innocent Americans I think we lose track of

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actually doing the investigations that we need

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Boston Barbara dozen are boy I'm the russians to piss off to him

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I'm all for looking at his records why were we looking at his records why

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didn't we know that he flew back to Russia

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fresh same with the simpson character at a Phoenix he knew his name at the only

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other solutions are valid issues but I'm just wondering

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if in fact this lapses this weekend and something happens you know you're going

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to take a hit for that said you feel guilty if in fact that happen right

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I think it's question is improperly word in what I would say is that when you

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look at this

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when you have looked at this the President's Commission as well as the

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Department of Justice inspector general they look to this they said

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are we getting data from the small collection that has been useful

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with the new now for ten years we getting any data and their conclusion is

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after looking at the classified information

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that they're not getting anything useful there's been no breakthroughs there's

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been no magic or silver bullet

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will continue to have a tax so should the people who are collecting the

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information feel guilty about it actually been having

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we had an attack in Garland we had attacked the Boston Marathon

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the reason object to the question is is that our freedoms are very important but

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to blame one individual for an attack and say

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for who gets the blame for the Boston Marathon it's not really fair to do it

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that way

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but it's a fair question to ask could we do a better job at gathering information

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and we're doing

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that also a base that the a ride for joining me now lovely Marshall

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syndicated radio talk show host at the Leslie Marshall show and Fox News

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contributor

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and Chris Plante syndicated radio talk show host to the Chris

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plant show are a crest what you think about senator paul and whether or not he

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feel guilty if this lapses

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and something happens well I like I the time line on now uncovering a plot to

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verses the

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the window in which the program might be suspended I think it might be tough to

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hangout him although I know that people certainly would and he pointed out

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that all these years and the FBI bien intelligence community cannot point to a

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single plot

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that has been ported because of this metadata program which honestly is less

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scary

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than might meet the eye if you look a more deeply into it it's not that

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frightening a program but he's standing up I thank for the fourth amendment

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and and people are concerned about our privacy rights being chipped away at so

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we might be a good plan but but but what I've heard from intelligence experts

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leslie is that it's not necessarily direct

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plots that they sort through this program it's actually

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threads have information that they are able to piece together that may help

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them in some way crack certain cases

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yes but they can also obtain that information

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with a quick warrant which they would get in the case of an alleged terrorists

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to attack

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are and they can they can go to for riser AT&T

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and they can have a huge NetCast within that subpoena to obtain these records

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which

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we must be reminded I do agree with Chris on this on it may not be

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you know it's scarier than it sounds in the sense but it doesn't have my name is

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it doesn't have the conversation right now would it

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is for a lot of people who even agree with the rest of the Patriot Act but not

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215 right is specifically the lack of a warrant to obtain the information and

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that's just too much of a cage for many Americans are

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alright I want your list chris Christie who is gonna make a decision about

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whether not you gonna jump into the presidential ring in about a month he

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announced that today

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here's his take on the Patriot Act air fact is all that for people are

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expressing opinions on this

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in the senate right now another them have used the Patriot Act never

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prosecute errors I have

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and so they talk about a former speculative perspective

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I talk about it from a real-life perspective and that's why I forgot to

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speak out on this because nobody else

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that's in this national conversation right now has the practical experience

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that i've had

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are as a Christian monthly who do you agree with on this

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do you agree with Rand Paul for chris Christie Chris Pine well you know I'm

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not sure they're necessarily in direct conflict with one another to 15

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separated out from the rest of the Patriot Act creates kinda different

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discussion

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that I i'm in favor of reviewing made the Patriot Act from

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from you know start to finish every so often because I think it was a big

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government reaction to a big government failure in there

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aftermath of September 11 are let me get lesley Anne here we agree with

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all boy Chris we agree on this 1i don't agree with the entire Patriot Act being

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throw out yeah I do agree with being reviewed and I do think that they need

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to sever the relationship between 2:15 the estimates are agree

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a hundred percent with either but Governor Christie or as Interpol

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meanwhile Packard Bell a former pollster for President Jimmy Carter and Fox News

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contributor we have you all in boxes just waiting for something fun

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Doug Schoen former pollster for president there you go bill clinton and

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a Fox News contributor is well you're not doctor john

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John the bully a former republican congressman for New York to see you all

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gentlemen Doug I'm gonna start with you

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and contrary are less because it sounds like a double speak you heard Adam

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Schiff there

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congressman there saying well we're not winning we're not losing

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the White House says we're not losing of senator mccain others are saying we're

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not winning what do we need to now

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well first this has been a terrible week for the United States

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I mean I I don't know that we are who

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are losing are completely but this has been a terrible terrible week we lost

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Ramadi

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I sis in iraq we lost power

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myra in Syria are to

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I says and just in the last to day or so

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there's been a confirmed suicide bombing in saudi arabia

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I it which ices took credit for

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which again shows their scope

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expanding Paris we don't have a strategy

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a plan or any real clear

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idea up what we're doing to combat

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this cordial vices well if we do have something like that

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secretary ash Carter saying now it may be time to ship she said maybe not right

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now but they're looking at that up at I wanna come to you on this

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if they have lost the will to fight I mean if this is like anything else in

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life if somebody doesn't want to fight for their own

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you keep fighting for them I mean what do you think should happen at this point

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well I think that the disaster there in an ash

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and I think the sector defense which you who is the only person the

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administration

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apparently is allowed to speak truth that must've been a a

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condition and his the beak before took the job he

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is telling us the truth the Iraqi army will not fight the

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you know we have and you know the president Phil follow up on doug said

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you know

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I want to say this when you're having a debate about whether you're winning we

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have to ask are we winning

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you know you're losing and I think that you know when the president the United

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States

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after losing two critical cities last week goes the coast guard academy

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intelsat milk graduates about military institution that the greatest crisis

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this country is climate control

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for them the greatest crisis they're basing important fares

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is I is climate control you know he's operating in some zone other than

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reality

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it when the press secretary says people should get their hair on fire

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over tactical setbacks I need me I you know it's so clear

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we're talking about Christians are being burned people are being murdered by

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thousands that we have an army that will all fight and then they're gonna bring

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the shiites

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this is a kto total failure three-quarters of the planes hit a golf

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ball loads

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return without dropping ordnance because we don't have people on the ground

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this is the president's desire to stay up to have in fact

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a stalemated situation he won't let us win

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and he doesn't really seem to grasp with Lucius

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you know it's interesting because this is becoming a further problem inside the

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democratic party

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I know that Hawaii congressman Tulsi Gabbard had this to say let's watch

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clearly

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I sis has gained momentum in particular over the last week

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as we've seen the ground that they've gained both and Iraq and Syria

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she was starting to question whether or not really doing the right thing in

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terms of our strategy over there a lot of people asking questions about it

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so you have the questions tonight tom but you also have people who say wait a

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minute is this

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actually our fight we see the people who were hawkish oddness

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but is this our fight to them when you said while I think there's a lot going

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on that we need to get to

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a the poor consumers have been ahead of the game on to it which is

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watch really roiling a lot of this

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is Obama's a Rand nuke deal has

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alienated the Sunni Arab leadership I V chip Jordan

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clearly Saudi Arabia the UAE a day snow the last week not coming

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as we know to camp david and we need them

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to be the ones to do the fighting again sigh sus

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because if they don't do it Iran is gonna do the fighting

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and what we're gonna be facing is something that we've never even

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contemplated before

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and Arab Persian war that is what he has caused by sliding

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with Tehran against Riyadh Cairo Amman

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Oman Bahrain all that he has

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totally discombobulated the Middle East alright so here's a question for a mile

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in pain from her best questions on Twitter and Facebook

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she says Harris as a rack is nearly done the white house acts like there's

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nothing to see when I sis is done there were next

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Pat I want to come to you with reporting about the FBI going to high schools in

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this country

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and trying to tell young people don't get your head spun by the propaganda I

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system the terrace online

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they're afraid maybe potentially that were crude with even more

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power than they already have well it's clear there was we've learned today

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you know we learn that when the successor by sis and help

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increases their recruiting the FBI is there but I'll table who was not there

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what does not there is the Muslim the quote the

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moderate Muslims the the non extremist Muslim to keep quiet

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or not they are fighting the ideological battle within their own religion

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one of the things we learned in waco leave aside the question what do you

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think a PM galler

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and what went on but let me tell you something before

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waco we speculated we might have people at my sis can trigger

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we now know we do have people ices could trigger

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so the problem here is

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gonna get bigger the president for 10 citizen coming here

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the every victory they win bring them closer and closer

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to the shores into the people want to sign up because they're not be we're not

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winning

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the Maya hearts and minds and we're not winning on the battle we had and we have

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the director the FBI James Conley had said there probably are

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thousands ugh agents inside this country

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now he's not a political guy is just getting it straight

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real quickly the president couldn't get his war authorization through Congress

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last week summer saying he may be too much of a deal outta that he can do it

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without this paper seeks

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speaker bainer said well then go back in and write a new bill in and try to get

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that third tell us what you need to know that I thought you could send troops on

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his own if you really want to but he doesn't want to because he needs

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Congress to be a partner

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for funding it in the long run and Congress and we haven't even gotten this

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yet the three of us tonight

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the republicans that are themselves roiled over what should the policy

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debate

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no one has yet come together and said here's what the american policy towards

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I so should be

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but I think the American people don't want to commit

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another way for ground troops over there and get chopped up all over again we

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would win

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but then what happens we're not gonna stay there we come home again both

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committed to repeat over and over again

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well we saw it does %uh talk that what we know

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from general Dempsey at the pentagon that this could take up to three years

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or longer which

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puts it well perhaps not quite where President Obama will even be in office

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well that just says to me

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two things Harris first it says that reports that have been more optimistic

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previously were grossly exaggerated second it underscores that we don't have

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a

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strategy but third I think it's worth emphasizing

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that what we're relying on to retake Ramadi in large measure

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are Shiite militias that are controlled by

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Tehran Iran and we have the risk is patton John have suggested

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Ivan arms race in addition to a fighting war

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are between the iranians in the Sunni

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arabs that could lead potentially to the acquisition

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on both sides have nuclear weapons and candidly it could go on a lot more than

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three to five years

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to our great depth from

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yeah we're getting some reporting that that Saudi Arabia is looking

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it exactly what they need to do in terms of network

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got mcgarity not only way did not not

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not only they did but today ices said

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up whether you believe it or not they were at least

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just discussing it they had enough money now generated they were going to start

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looking to buy a nuclear weapon

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what are you gonna do if they get one up at their wacky you know the usual array

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and

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they would use it to email you said Pershore yeah

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you know it's interesting to you talk about the money they've got so many

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oilfields gas and oil fields now they have half the country if syria by the

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way which is really interesting

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what happens when they get to the half that tower and Damascus

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where Bashar al-assad is dead what are your thoughts why I think we'll have a

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full scale

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out war between the iranians and I sis

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and it would turn into a regional full-scale war

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with consequences that are both impossible to fully

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appreciate and could well lead to carnage on

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incalculable levels I'll tell you what else i'm reading no

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but Charles side may let them have part of the country you may see kind of a

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partition

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an unofficial partition with the nation of Syria which really complicates

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matters

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because if they actually can rule a section and Andy

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legitimize the right now process harris also shows lab at least is a crazy place

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two years ago the our president wanted to bomb Assad

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member draw the red line at the bottom of the dotted red line well

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but he wanted to bomb and now we are unofficially

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helping him by sharing intelligence of with them against I saw stand around and

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around you go

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alright to hillary clinton campaign let's just jump right in now to things

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to note:

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of her popularity doesn't seem to be rocked by multiple controversies

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among democrats and those people who are ready love her we can pop up some

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numbers there

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but if you dig deeper and I did in this polling on it would seem

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that she's gotten some bleeding politically

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mainly among independents don't what are your thoughts well

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Harris urinalysis is absolutely right at this point

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because hilary is unopposed

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and because there hasn't yet been a smoking gun that

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to really people can simply put their finger on

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despite the myriad of issues that have been raise that I know my colleagues

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will have a lot to say about

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in how she hasn't suffered with democrats but with independent church

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trustworthy rating

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her favorability rating her down really in the high 30's are low 40's

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which will be very very problematic in a general election and indeed the

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because of the weakness with independent tears her horse race numbers against the

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Republican field have been down at single digits or thereabouts

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with the exception of by think a somewhat flawed New York Times poll

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it suggests to me that the elections going to be very very close

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that if there was a vote tomorrow it would be really close as close to 50-50

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as possible day no matter who ran to others I'd

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I think that that's right I think were evenly divided country

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the democrats have a slight electoral college advantage harass people it's

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only very slight

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very interesting and and I didn't hear you mention martin O'Malley or anybody

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else who might see her in the primary you just gotta find out where your at

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Charlton

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up let's talk about where the nation is going according to Gallup polling Pat

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what do you think about this

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you know hillary clinton's can't may be looking at this and saying oh she's got

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an edge because for the first time according to this

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of it looks like the nation is about equally as socially liberal is it is

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socially conservative

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does back if Hillary Clinton an advantage or do you even believe this

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well I'm not sure I believe that I think it's

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still probably more conservative but I'll tell you what is that what is not

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what is irrefutable

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its social issues don't matter to voters right now

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until Republicans until the press compresses republicans

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to try to get them on those issues as it serves as outriders

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up the Democratic Party but i wanna say this you know

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he always got other problems here inside it we have as a country

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the Ricky all we saw somebody I wouldn't

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overly describe it as great up focus group stop

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but we heard democrats this week on the air and I was saying what we have to

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vote for Hillary

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we can consider the scandal because Republicans might win

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we have gone from a country we have gone from a country

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that is a melting pot into a country that is tribal laws

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that into tribes in which might try first

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my country second while men attack its challenge

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among democrats a minute that gets challenge in this country

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something is gonna break it is on american in this is what the political

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classes delivered the country and Hillary Clinton

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who is the candidate a bad is going to sovereign she's already look

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her losses with independents and Democrats I was giving Republicans are

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such

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these are someone leichter she's falling back on a more more narrow constituency

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and eventually the damage being done because there's way too much to fear

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did not tempted to realize I think ur

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that the stop was gonna destroy your in the democrats better starting by the

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whole song I was well I not heard it put that way and this is all happening to

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her with no opponent

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campaigning against our and cheese deteriorate let me get the same here

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they're going to get your airborne 2231 on Twitter says

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hillary clinton needs to be charged with something that would hurt her

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we need the private server that she shouldn't have had for that

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their servers been destroyed but we did have a story last week that both Russian

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and Chinese intelligence may very well

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have acquired through our non secure server so well although it's a nice what

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they have no

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but I think we have to consider that they could blackmail Hillary Clinton

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with whatever

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she destroyed and it doesn't call you that the Chinese and the Russians

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have emails from our secretary say we can go now

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very interesting well with all the speaking fees and the bills that that

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you okay maybe they'll have enough cash to be an expert at to make the location

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atop what you said is so true to come from the conservative-led yeah I thank

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the sweet spot

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American politics for the republicans to get to is to be conservative on

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economics conservative on foreign and defense policy

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and libertarian not liberal libertarian

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on issues like who crew decriminalization of pot gay marriage

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the stuff

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we gotta go back to being about abortion John

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not while abortion the republicans are so wedded

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to the pro-life position they're not change and you can't be nominated

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feat for any job is a bad problematic but I know I W

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vote more on economics well that's what I think I think that you just

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located on alarm clock could be whose hiking no manager

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it'll hurt him in the general what anytime you give power to government

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they love it and they will accumulate more

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ending Jan you give power to government expect them to live within the confines

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of the governor the power

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they will not live within the confines a power unless you watch them

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like a hawk Senator Rand Paul spending more than 10 hours on the senate floor

23:56

in hopes of stopping the renewal

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up the Patriot Act the surveillance battle on Capitol Hill boiling down to

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privacy purses national security the Fox News political insiders are back

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you know what I i have to come to you first on this time because I know you

24:09

have some strong feelings about

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what he accomplished this week wiper so I think that clip was dynamite I think

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that

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that is the republican over 50 years the

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conservative position about the role of government and what happens when you

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give too much power to government

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problem is 911 discombobulated everything

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so that we had a republican president increasing the power of government

24:31

all in the cloak and it was truly love trying to protect the country but it's

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gotten out of hand this NSA met her data collection thing which is now

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been stopped by Rampaul Mitch McConnell threw in the towel

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buffs Friday night for the time being the administration has stopped at

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courts have said you can't do it this is a huge victory for the sky whether it

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affects his campaign on up

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yeah and that's the question pat what do you think well I think he may have

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problems inside the republican party

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because there's a lot about people who are in a very very

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are non privacy totally you know for sure

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well ripka republicans for total government when it comes on security

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that is not the case with Rampal some more but Arians

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and it's not the case where he gets it interesting vote right now

 

 

 

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